When distractions and other things come into play that tend to take energy away from what you're supposed to be doing, that's the challenge. All my energy is dedicated to the fans that keep me in business and come time and time again. It's also trying to keep in perspective what is it that you really do, because sometimes life comes at you twice as fast as it used to. "It's managing time, managing your energy. "Then a whole 'nother set of circumstances come into play," he says. So, why should anything be normal anymore?" It was an odd record to make because of what we were doing, but it was also an odd time. "We recorded it virtually with Zoom and some other technology where my producer in Australia could get the actual tracks from the session in real time or with about a second latency," says Joe. So, when it came time to record Time Clocks-travel restrictions be damned-they found a way to work together. Shirley produced the guitarist's fifth studio album, You & Me, and has since produced over 30 of Joe's subsequent projects. The two have had a long working relationship and they've been inseparable for most of Joe's career. Kevin "the Caveman" Shirley, Joe's longtime producer, was stuck in Australia due to strict COVID travel restrictions. In February 2021, Joe went to Germano Studios in Manhattan's NoHo neighborhood to record Time Clocks, aka "The New York Album." Because of the pandemic, this recording session was like no other Joe had been involved with.